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and the results of the election. >> and so, i think it's a foregone conclusion that tax rates for the wealthiest of americans are going up and as a pra practical matter, i don't understand why the gop doesn't agree to that sooner rather than later and the onus on the white house to give something relative to spending cuts and entitlement reforms. i think people want compromise and a bigger deal than just taxes going up for those 2% and doesn't get us where we need to go. >> david, let's play what alan simpson had to say regarding the growth. that's the overall end game here. growing the economy and not let lawmakers and such to posture before us. let's play it. >> not a single economist who talked to us in our hearings said we can't grow our way out of this with double digit growth for 20 years. you can't cut spending your way out of this baby or you ruin a very fragile economy and an emerge, you know, nation and can't tax your way out of this baby. this is impossible. >> so it is a combination of things and what do you make of the fact that in the approach perhaps to find some place
and the results of the election. >> and so, i think it's a foregone conclusion that tax rates for the wealthiest of americans are going up and as a pra practical matter, i don't understand why the gop doesn't agree to that sooner rather than later and the onus on the white house to give something relative to spending cuts and entitlement reforms. i think people want compromise and a bigger deal than just taxes going up for those 2% and doesn't get us where we need to go. >> david,...
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the dow jones has slipped only about 200 points since the election. why isn't wall street more on edge itself? william cohen is the author of "money and power, hold goldman sachs came to rule the world." the labor department came out with the applications for unemployment aid saying it fell sharply for the last week and stocks basically opened flat this morning as we've seen. some of that has to do more with europe than it does with washington. but what is your reasoning for why wall street hasn't displayed more of an impact from this fiscal cliff nonsense? >> thomas, what wall street hates most of all is uncertainty and it's counterintuitive, there's actually plenty of certainty now. what's going to be certain is taxes are going up. either we go off the cliff or the curb and then taxes rise for everybody and then maybe they get repealed for the middle class and others or we reach a deal and taxes go up for the wealthiest 2% and everybody else breathes a sigh of relief. there's some $2 trillion in cash sitting on the balance sheets of corporate americ
the dow jones has slipped only about 200 points since the election. why isn't wall street more on edge itself? william cohen is the author of "money and power, hold goldman sachs came to rule the world." the labor department came out with the applications for unemployment aid saying it fell sharply for the last week and stocks basically opened flat this morning as we've seen. some of that has to do more with europe than it does with washington. but what is your reasoning for why wall...
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one is new jersey's frank lautenberg who was elected in 1982, retired in 2001. then came back two years lates. senator dan coats, he changed his mind about retirement and re-elected in 2010. george allen tried to join that club but didn't make it. if you have a trivia question, e-mail us at dailyrundown dailyrundown@msnbc.com. ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these signs and symptoms to your doctor if they occur. tell
one is new jersey's frank lautenberg who was elected in 1982, retired in 2001. then came back two years lates. senator dan coats, he changed his mind about retirement and re-elected in 2010. george allen tried to join that club but didn't make it. if you have a trivia question, e-mail us at dailyrundown dailyrundown@msnbc.com. ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our...
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the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well and it cuts against the republican argument that raising taxes on the rich with would hurt the economy and the economy is fragile. the numbers though that the economy is not fragile and that would improve the economy's leverage. he's still doing so many public events. he is trying to use that public pressure to sort of force the republicans to cut a deal. >> doing this public stuff but at the same time having these private talks with the speaker and david axelrod talked about what the president and speaker might be doing behind closed doors and the reasoning behind it. let's listen. >> both the president and the speaker are very fluent in the basic numbers. they have been living with them for some time now. so as i said, i don't think that there's a lot of mystery about this. the politics has to be traverse. they've got to get through the rocky shoals of grover norquist. >> does that make it easier to keep politics out of it?
the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well and it cuts against the republican argument that raising taxes on the rich with would hurt the economy and the economy is fragile. the numbers though that the economy is not fragile and that would improve the economy's leverage. he's still doing so many public events. he is trying to use that public pressure to sort of force the republicans to cut a deal. >> doing this public stuff but at the same...
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what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election, and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes. >> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try to make our message. the most annoying tactics possible and we think people will believe what we're saying. i don't think people think that the job creators aren't doing enough, they need to be paying more, that we need to go out and say this is the employers fault and think that's going to create jobs. people my age, we are looking for work and we know that we don't get jobs from the government because they're controlled by unions. we want real jobs in the private economy. >> but, ron, don't you think you're being a little bit harsh on the speaker. give the man credit. you know, he spent four years opp
what you're saying is the president wins election, the presidential election, and he wins it on a debate about taxes, post-election exit polling reveals that in excess of 60% of americans support his view that taxes on the top 2% should go up, but your position is, no, we should cut taxes. >> the problem is you think we lost on messaging. i think we lost on tactics. the left knocked on doors, went to communities and talked to them. all the right does is try to use ads and robocalls to try...
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the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on the issues. 60% according to a new politi politico/george washington university poll believes the top should have an increase in taxes. fighting the public and appear to be ideological doesn't seem to work. certainly didn't in terms of knocking president obama off. >> one thing that also didn't work in 2011 was the president ab do kating the role to nancy pelosi and harry reid. this time around, maybe because he feels he has the mandate, he's doing the negotiations straight on with boehner which i think leads to a better resu
the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on...
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we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand that the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. their tax rates are low. the middle class is disappearing and they are in a lot of trouble. the wealthy and large corporations must be asked to play a significant role in deficit reduction. we must not not social security. that's clearly what the american people believe. and the president, democrats have got to hold firm and when they do, it will finally be the republicans that come to the table rather than just the democrats coming in as has been the case in the past. >>> bernie sanders, appreciate your time. >>> coming up, the fight over the fiscal cliff is putting american jobs at risk. one of these congressional members is lying about the problem. we'll use the newest job numbers to get to the truth next. >>> and republicans in michigan are ramming through antiunion legislation and hurting middle class americans in the process. the people of michigan are outraged. we're talking to lansing, michi
we won the election. poll after poll tells us. the american people understand that the wealthiest people are doing phenomenally well. their tax rates are low. the middle class is disappearing and they are in a lot of trouble. the wealthy and large corporations must be asked to play a significant role in deficit reduction. we must not not social security. that's clearly what the american people believe. and the president, democrats have got to hold firm and when they do, it will finally be the...
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remember, the elect rat in an offyear election tends to be older and tends to be whiter. these guys are all about survival. they're not going to do anything that they think will make it more likely that someone more conservative than themselves would challenge them in a primary. for them it is about survival. >> what about the risks on the other side? are there risks for president obama in all of this? >> there's risk. you look at immigration, i tend to agree with democrats that he probably has a stronger hand given that republicans feel like they have to do something that he's wanted to do. but, remember, the president had his chance. he promised to do immigration reform in the first year of his first term. and he didn't do it. and he didn't do it when he had all democratic control. so he could have done it. he chose not to do it. so he's under a lot of pressure because he made that same promise again this election. there's a lot of hispanic leaders saying wait a second. you made that promise last time. you broke it. you made it this time. are you going to break it again
remember, the elect rat in an offyear election tends to be older and tends to be whiter. these guys are all about survival. they're not going to do anything that they think will make it more likely that someone more conservative than themselves would challenge them in a primary. for them it is about survival. >> what about the risks on the other side? are there risks for president obama in all of this? >> there's risk. you look at immigration, i tend to agree with democrats that he...
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obama won the election. we won 25 out of 33 elections in the senate. we won seats in the house. the american people want action and it is undemocratic. it is un-american when a small minority can deny the majority from going forward. >> and senator, the fiscal situation they are dealing with in washington right now doesn't look like we've made a lot of progress. and now it's down to the president and the speaker alone in negotiations. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, it shouldn't just be the speaker and the president. it should be the voice of the american people. it should be the senate and should be the house. on these issues, ed, the election mattered. and poll after poll tells us the same thing. not a lot of debate but that's what the american people want. >> that's not getting through to speaker boehner. he just will not move on rates. >> well, that's right. and that is why the president and the democrats have got to stand tall. the democrats must not snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. we have the american people on our side. we won the election. poll after p
obama won the election. we won 25 out of 33 elections in the senate. we won seats in the house. the american people want action and it is undemocratic. it is un-american when a small minority can deny the majority from going forward. >> and senator, the fiscal situation they are dealing with in washington right now doesn't look like we've made a lot of progress. and now it's down to the president and the speaker alone in negotiations. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, it...
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they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and then there is syria, where nbc news reports the assad regime is preparing chemical weapons that can be loaded onto missiles. and human rights groups say more than 40,000 people have been killed in the last 21 months. we here in america are really intent right now on how we will rewrite our tax code. but if matters in egypt and syria or israel and the palestinian territories which are already getting pretty deadly and tragic and chaotic, if they get worse, the crisis about high end marginal tax cuts will begin to look a lot less like a crisis in comparison. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world
they're very upset that their newly elected democratic president morsi is doing things that they not so democratic. he is trying to make it so his decisions are not subject to judicial review. at least six civilians have been killed and hundreds injured in the violence. president obama called his egyptian counterpart yesterday to express concern about the situation that seems to be spinning out of control. he urged president morsi to meet with and negotiate with the opposition. >>> and...
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. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common ground here, and we need to do it quick. >> there ain't going to be any between these two ties, my
. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of...
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any time you lose an election or the national party loses an election, we say what are we going to do to change? as a party we've got to actually talk about what we believe in in a way the people actually want to listen and hear it. as opposed to being the party of angry people. i think the last election it seemed like most republicans were just mad about being conservative. there was no positive message about what that meant for hispanics or what that meant for the people that were unemployed. it was just we seemed to be this poster boy of angry. i think as we kind of move forward and we talk about who the next leader is, i think that leader's going to be emerged as somebody that can talk about a positive message of what conservative values mean to this country. >> monday morning power panel. chip saltsman, jaime harrison, and carrie brown. >>> the big buzz. in hillary land and beyond. would she be unbeatable in 2016? would there be stumbling blocks on her potential road to the white house? jody cantor joins me next. >>> plus, two deejays lose their show after their hoax on the hospi
any time you lose an election or the national party loses an election, we say what are we going to do to change? as a party we've got to actually talk about what we believe in in a way the people actually want to listen and hear it. as opposed to being the party of angry people. i think the last election it seemed like most republicans were just mad about being conservative. there was no positive message about what that meant for hispanics or what that meant for the people that were unemployed....
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there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus, mitt romney took a ringside seat for a post election bout watching a member of congress fight. we'll tell you where that person is a member of congress. >>> a guy who knows how to throw a punch announced he's coming to washington. how many u.s. presidents also served as secretary of state? and who was the last one? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like to find the right attorney to help guide you along, answer any questions and offer advice. with an "a" rating from the better business bureau legalzoom helps you get personalized and affordable legal protection. in most states, a legal plan attorney is available with every personalized document to answer any questions. get started at legalzoom.com today. and now you're protected. pre
there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus, mitt romney took a ringside seat for a post election bout watching a member of congress fight. we'll tell you where that person is a member of congress. >>> a guy who knows how to throw a punch announced he's coming to washington. how many u.s. presidents also served as secretary of state? and who was the last one? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a...
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that is, after a tough election, you move on to do what's right for the country, and she's done that. i don't think there's any limit to her potential, and that's going without saying based upon what she's succeeded at. on the other hand, you know, this is a very personal decision, as she knows better than anyone, because she's been through it, and she's lived the life very advise ivisible, very. i think she deserves time to reflect on things and enjoy life more than she's been able to over the last number of years. the vice president is also extremely well liked, well known throughout the democratic party, and as a primary candidate, if that was his choice, he would be also strong, but there are a lot of number of other governors and other elected officials that are coming up that i think will want to be involved in the next presidential election, but it is a long way out, and we ought to at least get through the holiday season and enjoy life a little more than talking about campaigns again. >> well, at the same time, there is a down side because if she wants to keep her options open
that is, after a tough election, you move on to do what's right for the country, and she's done that. i don't think there's any limit to her potential, and that's going without saying based upon what she's succeeded at. on the other hand, you know, this is a very personal decision, as she knows better than anyone, because she's been through it, and she's lived the life very advise ivisible, very. i think she deserves time to reflect on things and enjoy life more than she's been able to over the...
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>> i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected, obama care is the law of the land. >> now, of course, boehner promptly walked those comments back later that day. that doesn't make what he said any less of a fact. central to the implementation of that law is the creation of health care exchanges. now, let me explain. these aca exchanges are online marketplaces. in short, websites. the idea is to force insurance companies to play by the same rules and compete for a large pool of customers resulting in less expensive premiums for everyone. here's how it works. let's say you're one of the 50 million people in in country without health care. you're looking to get yourself covered. you'd log on to your state's exchange or call a hotline number. the goal is to shop around for whatever plan works best for you and your family. if you are living at 138% to 400% of the poverty line, that is a family of four living off an annual income of $31,809 to $92,200, then you are eligible for governm
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the president has been re-elected. i know he's deeply personally committed to this and we just have to regrip it, i'm afraid. >> what's gone wrong? >> it's partly because there's so much turmoil in the region right now. it's how each side views its own prospects. >> how would you characterize a credible negotiation given the fact as long as we've been alive there's been these problems that keep erupting and never, ever get solved? we've been trying for 20, 30 years. it was 50, 60 years before we got one that worked. and actually back in the year 2000, and again in 2008, you have no option in the end. the only thing that works is to make it credible if we shape the negotiations. give it some shape so that we can see this is where it's going to go. >> dr. brzezinski says that we can never sit back and lit the israelis and palestinians do 0 this by themselves because we'll be waiting forever. >> do you agree with that assessment? >> i do. because of what's happening in egypt, and then you have syria, the region is in tota
the president has been re-elected. i know he's deeply personally committed to this and we just have to regrip it, i'm afraid. >> what's gone wrong? >> it's partly because there's so much turmoil in the region right now. it's how each side views its own prospects. >> how would you characterize a credible negotiation given the fact as long as we've been alive there's been these problems that keep erupting and never, ever get solved? we've been trying for 20, 30 years. it was 50,...
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>> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the list even when he wasn't president because we all know who was still running the show then. he's back up there with a bullet. he's been as high as two on this list. here is somebody who has a u.n. security council permanency, controls a huge oil and gas reserve, has a nuclear tipped army and wields his power very effectively. >> and loves to show his muscles. many times as possible. >> powerful in many ways. that's right. >> of late bill gates has been the rodney dangerfield of silicon valley or seattle. he gets absolutely no respect but you give him plenty. he comes in at
>> a re-elected barack obama back at number one. two years ago we had hu jintao so it is not automatic the president is at the top but with a kind of mini mandate, four more years and the defacto leader of the free world it is a pretty easy selection of number one. >> angela merkel number two. easy to understand. >> europe goes through germany and germany goes through merkel. >> let's talk about vladimir putin coming in at number three. >> yes. he has been on the...
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it's his election victory. we all know in our own lives that presidential attention is enormously effective. i'm wondering whether you're hearing anything about how the republicans in the house are reacting at this point. >> well, i think what's really interesting is if the president does get a deal on taxes, and if we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that that's actually going to create probably some kind of war in the republican party. >> you mean over by avoiding? >> yeah, over by avoiding, exactly. >> it's a tricky metaphor. >> it is. exactly. >> like the roadrunner. >> but i think going to peter's point, i think that this debt ceiling issue will become the issue, and i think republicans will probably harden over that in the house. and i think that's really problematic because it's this on again/off again crisis thing. it makes us seem like an emerging market economy here. >> are we greece? >> our politics are becoming as dysfunctional as greece. i mean, we're not greece, but if you look at what businessm
it's his election victory. we all know in our own lives that presidential attention is enormously effective. i'm wondering whether you're hearing anything about how the republicans in the house are reacting at this point. >> well, i think what's really interesting is if the president does get a deal on taxes, and if we get over the fiscal cliff, i think that that's actually going to create probably some kind of war in the republican party. >> you mean over by avoiding? >>...